This week brings another solopreneur interview. In episode 19, I talk with Paul Stevens-Fulbrook, a high school science teacher in England whose side hustle is an education blog for teachers.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
- How his blog serves teachers at different stages of their teaching career
- How he got the idea
- How much he’s currently earning (and where the revenue is coming from)
- How he grew his traffic using Facebook (plus how he landed in “Facebook jail”)
- What his day currently looks like balancing side hustle vs. classroom job
- The importance of staying focused on a few important things to not spread yourself thin
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Links mentioned in this episode:
- Ezoic (ad broker)
- Do You Even Blog Podcast (Pete McPherson)
- Brandon Gaille podcast (Blogging Millionaire)
- Income School YouTube channel
- Backlinko (Brian Dean)
- Neil Patel
- HYW private Facebook community
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Andrew Chen 1:16
My guest today is Paul Stevens-Fulbrook. He is a high school science teacher in England who, in his own words, teaches at 100 miles an hour, and in the service of student engagement, can be found leaping from desks, making up songs about science to stick in students’ heads forever, and doing a famous bee impression to explain how pollination works.
His side hustle is that he moonlights as an education blogger, where he supports other teachers on topics like classroom management, classroom technology, teaching tips, and teacher wellbeing.
Paul, thanks so much for taking the time to join us today.
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 1:50
You’re welcome. Excited to be here.
Andrew Chen 1:52
All right. I would love to first just start off by jumping in to understand a little bit about what is your solopreneur business about? Can you just help us understand what you’re working on?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 2:02
Yeah. I’m working on my website teacherofsci.com. And it’s kind of a one-stop place for teachers to come with queries or worries and woes, where they can come and find answers and they’ll hopefully go away with some actionable tips, be it with their stuff in the classroom or stuff in their home life. So that’s really where we’re at with that.
Andrew Chen 2:29
Got it. So if I’m a teacher, what are the kinds of things that I would want to come to your site to get more information about? Where am I in my life as a teacher or in my job as a teacher that would spark that initial interest to come to your site to get information?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 2:49
In some ways, desperation. You run out of patience with a class or you’re struggling to get the behavior management right in a class, or you’re just looking for fresh tips in the classroom, or that you’re struggling with cash a bit or you’re struggling with your physical and mental wellbeing. You come to the site and there’s plenty of articles on there to help you out.
So it’s really aimed at any teacher anywhere. We all seem to suffer from the same problems and struggles. So I figured that if it’s something that I’ve struggled with, then there’ll be other teachers out there who will need help in that area.
Andrew Chen 3:37
I see. Is there a particular profile of teacher that you have found particularly comes to your site and looks for information there?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 3:47
A lot of new teachers or trainee teachers do come to the website. But then I often get a slightly older, more experienced teacher who comes, especially with the wellbeing stuff when they’ve been in the job a while and they’re just struggling with the pressure of it. And I get quite a lot of feedback from that kind of teacher, especially with the wellbeing stuff.
Andrew Chen 4:10
Got it. How do you help a teacher on wellbeing?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 4:15
I based most of the articles in the wellbeing section on things that I’ve struggled with, whether it’s stress and anxiety, either in the classroom or just in general life, or depression, bits and pieces on that. Just for those ones, I’ve kind of told my story a little bit.
But I’ve also got other experts to write articles on certain things like working for a bully boss, that kind of thing where you’re just working for this person and nothing you do is right. So I got a friend of mine who’s a psychologist to write a couple of articles for me on that.
So yeah, it’s pretty much from my own experiences and from experiences of those close to me.
Andrew Chen 5:04
I see. How did you get started with this? Where did the idea come from?
And if there was a moment of realization when you realized you needed to do this, what motivated that?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 5:19
The idea started about two or three years ago. I knew I had to do something else, something in addition to teaching, because I’d sat down and worked out how much my pay would increase over the years and whether that would ever leave me and my wife and children comfortable, and it wasn’t good maths. It didn’t look good.
So I knew I had to do something. And I toyed with the idea of writing a book about a day in the life of a teacher, just write a small chapter every day. That was one idea that I’ve been mulling around.
And then I was driving to work one day, listening to podcasts, not necessarily about blogging, just listening to podcasts. And I thought, “I should do something a bit like this.” So I came home from work that day and then started investigating.
And suddenly the idea of “I should have a blog. I should have a website, because I visit those websites for health. Maybe I should do that.”
That would give me the opportunity to write and be a bit more creative. But it’s also something that doesn’t require such a large amount of time, or so I thought, than writing a book would do. And I figured, “I’ll give that a go.”
Naively, I think I followed some of the more optimistic adverts that you see on the internet of overnight riches and thought, “That’s the one. I’ll be a millionaire in six months’ time.” I didn’t really think that, but that kind of thing.
But yeah, it’s been a project that’s come together and grown and grown and grown. But the driving to work one morning when I thought, “I know what I should do. I should do something like a podcast or a blog.”
And that’s where the idea came from.
Andrew Chen 7:08
Gotcha. When you decided or realized that you wanted to start a side hustle to create a blog, did you do it with the intent to monetize it from the very beginning?
Or did you think, “I’ll just see what this is about. I’ll create some content and then figure it out along the way. I don’t know if it’s going to turn into a business, but I just want to understand a little bit better how it works.”
Which of the two was it?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 7:47
If I’m being honest, it was “I need to make some extra money. This seems like a good idea.” But also, I’ll be helping out other teachers along the way.
And my idea was that the things I could put on the website would be things that I struggle with. I thought that they’re the kind of things that most teachers struggle with. So, ideally, I’ll make some money and be able to help out other people.
Andrew Chen 8:11
I see. In the very beginning, how did you think about monetizing the website? What were your plans to do so?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 8:22
Initially, I only had the idea of putting some ads on there and seeing how that worked. But then over the course of the next few months and years, I researched a lot more about other ways to go about things. And I’ve just been kind of tinkering with the ideas and trying to work out a few other bits.
It’s still very early days, but we’re getting somewhere. There’s progress.
Andrew Chen 8:48
Gotcha. So today now, it’s been a few years since you started the website. What are the ways that you’re monetizing currently?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 8:56
The majority of the income does come from ads. It’s not a huge amount, but it does come in from ads.
I also review education books for a couple of publishers, so income comes in from that.
There’s the affiliate sales for Amazon and a couple of other bits and pieces.
And I have got a couple of products. I’ve got one of my own products up for sale on the website.
Andrew Chen 9:26
What is that?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 9:27
It’s a revision guide that I wrote to help students who are coming up to exams, to teach them how to study. And so that’s on there.
So there’s a few different things and I’ve got a few other bits and pieces. And sometimes we get a sponsored post come in, but I’m not 100% keen on having sponsored posts on the site. But they’re another income stream if I need it.
Andrew Chen 9:50
Gotcha. Say more about the sponsored posts. What is your concern about them?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 9:57
I’m very conscious of the fact that they are a company’s agenda. So if I choose to put one on the site, it has to be really helpful for my audience.
I do get quite a lot of pitches about sponsored posts, and the majority I have to turn down. It would be ideal to get the money, but my number one priority is making sure whatever goes in the site is useful to my audience.
Andrew Chen 10:24
Sure. How do you do ads? What tools do you use to implement ads?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 10:31
Well, I have been using Google AdSense up until about a month ago, where I decided to switch over to another ad network. I’m now using Ezoic.
Andrew Chen 10:46
I haven’t heard of that one. How do you spell that one?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 10:49
E-Z-O-I-C. Ezoic. They seem to do a lot better than Google AdSense. The revenue from that has gone up.
But it’s very early days. It takes a while for the system to work out how your website is working and what your visitors prefer. But my income from that has probably gone up to 300%.
Andrew Chen 11:13
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 11:14
Andrew Chen 11:15
What is it that you reckon they do differently than Google AdSense?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 11:20
I think that people pay more for their ads, I believe. There’s a lower limit of how many visitors per month you should have to qualify for it. It’s 10,000 unique visitors a month, whereas AdSense you can have from the beginning.
So I think that’s one, that they pay more because they know there’s a bigger audience out there. But I just think they’ve got kind of an AI system that learns your visitors’ preferences, so it takes a while to move ads around and work out what’s working best. But it does seem to be very fruitful at the moment.
Andrew Chen 12:03
I see. What are your traffic numbers right now?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 12:08
Well, last month, I had my record month so far. It was in the region of just shy of 18,000 unique visitors a month and 40 something thousand page views. So it’s not massive yet, but it’s certainly heading in the right direction
Andrew Chen 12:26
For sure. And so it sounds like that’s definitely well within the territory that it would start to be able to get good ad monetization from the ad network that you mentioned, Ezoic, right? Did I get that right?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 12:37
Andrew Chen 12:38
Okay. Gotcha. Cool.
What things have you been able to do that have been effective and successful at growing your traffic? What are some of the strategies that have really worked for you?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 12:55
Well, like most bloggers, I think at the beginning, I was just trying to do everything everywhere, all the social media, everything. But I’ve really kind of streamlined it to what works best.
For me, I get a lot of traffic from Facebook. It’s not ideal, but I do get a lot of traffic from Facebook. Not ideal because Facebook is very fickle.
It will love you one day and then ban you the next day. In fact, I’m in “Facebook jail” at the moment. I don’t know why.
I shared my latest post to several Facebook groups that I’m in, and on Friday, I got a message saying “You can’t post to Facebook groups for three days.” I think I used the word “Please share this” in the post, and I don’t think they like that very much.
So Facebook is very fickle, but I get a lot of traffic from Facebook.
Next is organic traffic from Google and Bing and others, but mainly Google. Bing has been quite good lately. But yeah, second will be organic.
And then referrals from links and other sites. And I’ve got my email list that I’ve been building over the last year and a half. So that goes out and that brings in some as well.
Andrew Chen 14:20
I see. How many folks are on your email list currently?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 14:25
Just 1700 and a few.
Andrew Chen 14:31
Gotcha. So I’ve never heard this term “Facebook jail”. Can you say more about what it means to get sent to “Facebook jail” and what happens? What causes that to happen and what can you do about it, if anything?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 14:45
I’m not 100% sure why. This is the only time I’ve been sent to “Facebook jail.” Instagram will do a similar thing as well, where I’ve got quite a big following.
But if you do something that kind of bends their terms and conditions without breaking them completely, then they can give you a temporary ban on posting things in groups that don’t belong to you, which is what’s happened to me.
But I didn’t do anything dodgy. It’s just there’s so many rules that you have to follow that aren’t very accessible to learn what they are.
I think one of the biggest drivers of traffic to the site is I joined a lot of relevant Facebook groups, so lots and lots of teaching Facebook groups. And every Monday and Friday, I’ll share a post in those, and that works very well.
For some reason, this time, when I shared them on Friday, they weren’t keen on it, even though it was a post about mental health recovery and depression and stress. Something I wrote about myself.
So I don’t think it’s the content. I just think they don’t like it if you request people to keep sharing it everywhere. I think that’s where I went wrong with that one.
Andrew Chen 16:07
Interesting. So you alluded to this a moment ago around how Facebook has been effective for you around joining a bunch of groups. Facebook is obviously a very powerful marketing platform. For somebody who is just getting started with a side hustle and they think maybe their audience is on Facebook, what are some of the steps they could do?
White hat steps, not black hat. But what are some of the white hat steps that they could do to build an audience on Facebook?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 16:36
Well, the first thing they need to really do is create their own page and then their own group. And they’re a bit slow to build.
I know I just said I’m In “Facebook jail.” Well, that’s just from white hat stuff, not anything dodgy.
But the primary thing is they should have their own page and definitely their own Facebook group. And all the time they’re trying to build those up, they should pay attention to other Facebook pages within their niche, join other Facebook groups within their niche, and be active in those other groups.
So not necessarily self-promote hugely when you first start because you haven’t got a lot to self-promote with. But definitely get into those Facebook groups and start answering questions and helping other people out. And then build up a bit of a reputation in there that “Oh, this guy knows what he’s talking about.”
And then when you start posting, sharing your own posts in there, people are more likely to come because you’ve already helped them out.
So it’s build a relationship first rather than just go into the groups and start spamming them with stuff because that’s a sure-fire way to get yourself in trouble.
Andrew Chen 17:50
For sure. And then you mentioned that you have quite a large following on Instagram. What are the main ways that someone should be thinking about to build their following on Instagram?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 18:06
Be consistent in your posting.
There’s a lot of hacks and things out there that people are offering to buy followers. Don’t do that. It’s going to get you banned.
There’s a lot of this “Follow me and I’ll follow you back” and that kind of stuff. And you just mass follow lots of people, and then when they start following you, you unfollow them. And that’s not going to work either.
I tried that to start with and you just get people who aren’t interested in what you’re doing. You’re much better off having a small amount of followers who are interested in what you’re doing rather than this massive number of followers, none of which care about what you’re doing. And it’s not going to help you at all.
So just be consistent in what you’re posting, and posting helpful, useful things.
Instagram doesn’t drive a lot of traffic to the website, but it really does seem to create this culture of it’s a bit more fun. People will enjoy what you do. And you build up a bit of a notoriety in being an interesting person.
So it’s really more about you rather than the website. So you drive that engagement through being yourself, and then hopefully the traffic and the interest and the following will build.
Andrew Chen 19:35
I see. What type of content do you post on Instagram that you have found to be effective?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 19:41
I’ve recently taken on someone to help do my Instagram account for me. It’s actually an ex-student from a long time ago who wants to get into social media marketing, so she’s handling all my posts and we’ve streamlined it down. She’s much better at designing things than I am.
So we post once a day on the Instagram feed. We’ll do usually an educational quote. And then the next one will be a blog post that we’re sharing.
And the next one will be a meme or something. It’s called our other category. It’ll either be a meme or a silly picture of me or any other news that comes up.
Recently, I was made a finalist in a blog awards and we put that up as one.
But then we do the stories as well to go with it. So she’ll do a couple of stories promoting what we’ve put on the feed, but I’ll also go on there daily and talk gibberish and usually try and create a bit of interest there.
And that’s been much more helpful, having someone to do it for me. I mean, not everyone can do that, but she’s excellent at designing the posts and now they are looking like I wanted them in my head but don’t have the ability to do. So I can just sit back and talk rubbish into the stories and she can design them.
So, consistent stuff that looks good. There’s so many things out there on Instagram. It’s difficult to get noticed, so you do need to make sure what you’re putting out there looks visually good because you’ve got about a second to grab people’s attention as they’re scrolling through.
If you stick to the same format, then people will start to see, start to recognize it when it comes up and pay a bit more attention to it.
Andrew Chen 21:29
I see. So you have a few different types of templates of content that you will use consistently.
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 21:35
Yeah, we do. So it’s about trying to design the feed so that it looks organized. So if you look at my Instagram feed, you’ll see a column of blog posts and then a column of memes or silly things, and then a column of educational quotes, all with my branding and all with the same color scheme I use on the website.
So it’s all linked in all over the place. But it’s got to look professional for people to stop. If it’s just random stuff, people are just going to skim past it.
Andrew Chen 22:06
You mentioned also that Google has been an important source of traffic for you. What are some of the best practices you have found to be effective at getting Google traffic?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 22:17
This is a constant learning curve and battle. Google traffic has been building consistently for the last maybe nine months. It’s been building up and up and up and up.
And I think it’s down to writing good content that people will engage with, that people will use.
You can read six million SEO tactics out there and trying to work out what you should be using and what you shouldn’t. It is very difficult, especially when you come into this blind, like I did, never having done anything like this before.
But I think consistent, for me, long form posts work well. I try not to post anything that’s under 2000 words now. 1500 to 2000 is probably the minimum I try and put on there, unless it’s a book review.
So, long form posts. Really making sure that what you’re putting on there is interesting, that people aren’t just going to come on, read the first bit, and go away again.
Breaking up the text into very short paragraphs because, these days, no one has a good concentration span. Trying to put interesting things in, even if it’s just a small paragraph, which is the same color background as the rest of your sites, just to break it up a little bit.
Ask for engagement as well. Ask questions within the content that will keep people reading and want to comment on it. Those kind of things I think is making it consistently good.
You can write for the algorithms if you want, but then your content is not going to be great. Keyword stuff and all that doesn’t work anymore anyway. You can try and beat the system, but you’re never going to beat the system when the system is Google.
If you’re writing things that people want to read, then it might take longer to get where you need to be, but you will get there.
Andrew Chen 24:16
Have you also found other platforms like Pinterest to be helpful for building traffic?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 24:22
Yeah. Pinterest does work very well. I do use Pinterest. I have used Pinterest.
But for me at the moment, this is one of the things I’ve learned is to streamline, to make sure I’m just doing things which are going to be effective for me. And Pinterest is effective, but it takes time. And at the moment, as a father of four and a full-time teacher and blogger and everything else in between, I needed to take a step back from Pinterest.
I will go back into it one day when I’ve got a bit more time. But at the moment, it takes a lot of time for me to do. As I said, I’m rubbish at designing things, so to design a pin for me takes quite a while.
Andrew Chen 25:08
Definitely. I think that’s one of the big things that I have found in talking with lots of folks is to find what you’re good at and focus like a laser beam on doing that. That’s better than spreading yourself thin across a whole bunch of different platforms, but doing each one so-so.
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 25:25
Yeah. That’s the biggest thing I’ve learned over the last year is what works for me, do that.
Like I said, Facebook works for me. I get a lot of engagement from Facebook, so I’ve been focusing my energy on Facebook and organic traffic.
Instagram, I do work on. Like I said, it doesn’t bring a lot of traffic, but it does build engagement. So for me, that’s an area I like to work on.
I know I’m not going to get a lot of traffic to the site from it, but it’s all about building the brand, having your brand out there in multiple platforms.
So they’re the three I really work on most: Facebook, organic traffic, and Instagram. Pinterest does work, but it’s not a good balance for me time-wise.
Andrew Chen 26:11
So currently, how much money is your website bringing in?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 26:18
It’s getting bigger. We’re probably bringing in about 200 pounds a month. So it’s not there yet, but it’s definitely heading in the right direction.
Andrew Chen 26:28
Got it. What do you think are your big plans?
I mean, that’s a great start because I would say most solopreneurs will start and ultimately end up making nothing and then they’ll end up quitting. What do you feel like are your plans to grow that rapidly over the coming, say, 12 months?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 26:48
Okay. So with the new ad network I’m using, as my traffic builds, income from that will build as well, which is great.
My main focus for the rest of this year, and probably into next year, is content, content, content. The more content that’s out there, the more doors into the website there are. Just to get more and more content that is useful and quality on the site, that’s my main driver at the moment.
Also, I’ve been approached by one of the book publishers that I do reviews for to write a book for them, which is something that I’m just starting to do now. So I’m writing a book on teaching.
My son is autistic and I also teach autistic kids as part of my day. Not exclusively, but I’ve got a lot of experience with it. So I’m writing a book that helps teach autistic children from both a father’s perspective and a teacher’s perspective.
So that’s a project that’s going to be building over the next few months. So that hopefully will be another income stream.
That’s where we are at the moment. So building the traffic, building the site up.
Because I still view it as very new. I look at other comparable websites out there for the thing I’m doing, and they’re massive. So for me, it’s building up that content, building up the back catalogue of stuff that I have there, and constantly tweaking what I’m doing.
So the book, more content, and I’m working on a bit of outreach, trying to build a bit more of authority. That’s my plan for the next year.
Andrew Chen 28:30
You mean like backlink building?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 28:32
Yeah. That and getting the brand known. So coming on podcasts like this. So just building up a presence online I think is where I want to be at the moment.
Andrew Chen 28:46
Can you walk us through what does the day to day in your blogging business look like? Maybe if you could give us like a representative week.
What are the kinds of activities that you’re doing to build up your site and your domain authority and your content? So we can just understand.
When do you do the work? How much of the work do you do and how do you break it up? What does your day to day actually look like for this?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 29:12
Yeah. So first thing is it’s not quick. There’s a lot of stuff. Any solopreneur or blogger out there knows that actually there’s a lot of work.
And that’s why a lot drop off and quit after a short amount of time when they realize it’s not overnight success. For me, I don’t actually have a backup plan, so I’m kind of committed to this.
So, on a Monday to Friday, I’ll get up at five o’clock in the morning, stumble to the kitchen, grab a cup of tea, and probably spend an hour and a half writing or just doing some admin tasks on the blog before my family gets up. Then I’ll have breakfast with them and then go to work.
And I might squeeze in a little bit of blog time during the day whilst at work if I’ve got some free time. And then when I get home, I’ll probably work on it for a couple of hours in the evening, more if I’m trying to get a particular post out.
But yeah, so that’s generally when I work. Usually, Mondays and Fridays mornings is when I’ll do my sharing of posts on Twitter. I’m also on Twitter as well.
That’s another one. I’ve just remembered. On Twitter and Facebook.
And then during the week, in the evenings, I’m working on blog posts and outreach. Outreach, I try and squeeze into my day at lunchtime and stuff like that, where I’d just send a few emails or contact a few people.
So I don’t have a very organized plan. I’ve done plans and schedules for it before, but I prefer working when it’s all up here.
I use an app called Trello to keep up with everything I’ve got to do. But I’ll just dive in and pick things out that I think are more important at that time.
Andrew Chen 31:09
Gotcha. So how do you stay up to date on the latest trends in marketing, whether it’s related to how Google is changing search results or Facebook is changing its algorithms? Are there blogs or influencers or podcasts that you follow that you found particularly valuable for this type of thing?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 31:31
Yeah, definitely. My drive to work is always listening to podcasts. I try and keep some spaces in the week for more entertainment podcasts, but the majority of them are marketing or blogging.
There’s a guy called Pete McPherson who runs Do You Even Blog, which is a podcast and website. He’s very good, so I listen to him.
And there’s the blogging millionaire Brandon Gaille. That’s very helpful.
When it comes to YouTube channels, there is Income School. They’re very good. Two guys from America.
Not sure where they are, but two guys from America and they’re really good, talking about how they build their websites. And that’s pretty cool.
And then for blog posts, my first port of call is always Brian Dean at Backlinko. Whenever I get his emails come through, yes, I need to get on there and read that. And he’s also got a YouTube channel.
So they’re the main ones, Neil Patel’s website and podcast as well, and YouTube channel.
But they’re the main ones I go too. But there is a lot out there that are repeating the same stuff, so you got to filter out what you think is quality and will work for you. But they’re the ones I kind of stick to.
Andrew Chen 32:56
Yep. Those are definitely some good ones.
So when you sum it all up, what do you feel like are the biggest learnings you have internalized during your entrepreneurial journey? What are the biggest lessons?
Or maybe phrase it a different way. If you could go back and talk to your earlier self or just when you were getting started, what are the things that you would want yourself to know?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 33:25
Start with “Strap in. It’s going to be a long ride,” rather than “You’re going to be a millionaire tomorrow.” That’s the biggest learning thing.
It does take work. It’s not easy. So you’ve got to be careful with your time.
You’ve got to take time for yourself as well because if you’re doing this side hustle and a full time job and you’ve got a family, you need to make sure you’ve got your priorities right. You’ve got to make sure that the full time job is still going to be there and your family is still going to be there.
So prioritize what is important to you. And then start streamlining the things that do work for you. And try not to get distracted by every new thing that comes out.
Work out what works for you, stick to that, and then constantly monitor it for any changes.
So pretty much that’s the biggest learning curve for me was how to be a solopreneur rather than just someone writing a blog.
The other big thing that I heard early on was treat it like a business from day one. If you want it to take care of you in the future, you need to treat it like a business to start with.
And to me, it seemed a bit fraudulent at the beginning for me to be thinking of this as a business when it was making no money and it was just a side project. But if you do treat it like a business and not a hobby, you’re going to be taken more care of. You’re going to make more advances than if you just treat it as a hobby.
If you treat it as a hobby, then it’s not going to work. You’re going to end up quitting because it’s not always fun. It’s not always stress-free. But if it’s a business and you believe in it, then you’re more likely to make a success of it.
Andrew Chen 35:21
All right. Well, thank you so much for sharing your insights and wisdom with us today, Paul. Where can people find out more about you and your website and what you’re up to?
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 35:30
Okay. Well, the website, teacherofsci.com. Or on Facebook, Facebook page is Teacherofsci. Facebook group is TeacherOfSci Teaching Community, I think.
They’ve all got my logos all over them.
Instagram, I’m teacherofsci. And on Twitter, I am teacherofsci1 because someone beat me to it. I’m very late to joining Twitter.
Andrew Chen 35:55
All right. Well, we’ll definitely link to all those in the show notes. And thank you so much again for taking the time to join us. And cheers and best of luck with everything.
Paul Stevens-Fulbrook 36:06
Thank you very much, Andrew. It’s great to be here. Cheers.